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Rollin Thunder
04-28-2010, 07:09 PM
How many of you know about this? They've been waving that right hand at you in Arizona..... have you been watching the left hand?
The house is voting tomorrow on HB2499
People will tell you that it's not a big deal; don't sweat it, they'll say.
This bill is the start of bringing Puerto Rico into statehood. Why? The socialist party of P.R. wants Social Justice for it's citizens. It also wants two Senators and six Representatives. In exchange they will have four million democratic votes.
If you know any Puerto Rician's, there's a good chance that they'll tell you, they don't want to buy the cow, they're getting the milk for free. P.R. is damn close to being a (socialist)welfare state. Is the picture growing larger yet?
The vote is tomorrow, it will pass and my bet is, before 2012 it will be the 51st. state.
Buy stock in U.S. Flag manufactuers, they'll be selling a bunch of new 51 star flags.
I truly believe we are losing this fight. As Newsweek said last year: We are all socialist now!
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d111:1:./temp/~bdvTsA:@@@L&summ2=m&|/bss/111search.html| Not much on it but, google it.

Try this: http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2010/04/28/puerto-rico-statehood-hr-2499-vote/
if you read this, the three vote shell game is a ruse, it literally will force them into statehood.

04-28-2010, 07:17 PM
Yeah, just what we need. More sucking up our SS and welfare.

04-28-2010, 07:30 PM
Nope. Sorry, RT, I'm not gonna buy any new flags. Don't intend to recognize PR as a state. Nope. Won't do it!

04-28-2010, 08:00 PM
Another state of new orleans! What will we do with two of them? Does any of those people have an education & possibly have a job that pays enough for them to pay taxes?? Of course, unknown to us, they may have been voting all along & you know darn well they've been getting welfare. So, maybe nothing will change.

brian c
04-28-2010, 10:31 PM
glenn beck talked about this tonite.... this progressive movement has a plan ...and it's all about big gov. and social justice.....

04-29-2010, 04:04 AM
glenn beck talked about this tonite.... this progressive movement has a plan ...and it's all about big gov. and social justice.....

WOW what a surprise, huh.

Rollin Thunder
04-29-2010, 09:32 AM
In the news today:

Apparently there is to be a vote later today on a bill regarding Puerto Rican statehood. They are calling it “non-binding” but it is not non-binding! It is a trap. The bill makes eventual Puerto Rican statehood a virtual certainty. This is despite the fact that statehood has been voted down repeatedly. The Puerto Rican people don’t want it! But since when has that stopped the Left from ramming what they want down people’s throats? And why do they want this? The same reason they want everything, to further entrench their power. Statehood would mean two new senators, six or seven new representatives, a whole slew of new voters and tons of opportunities to spend more of your money. As Examiner.com’s Robert Moon points out:

Due to its dense population of poverty-stricken minorities, Puerto Rico can be counted on to vote overwhelmingly for Democrats and all their handouts, and their representation will also consequently outnumber that of 25 other existing U.S. states.

Meanwhile, with Puerto Ricans having an average income of less than half that of our poorest state, they will instantly become eligible for dozens of our welfare programs. Truckloads of taxpayer dollars will also have to be perpetually dumped into the territory, by federal law, to bring it up to American infrastructure and environmental standards.

Oh, and never mind us. We don’t get a say in this either. Puerto Rico, which doesn’t want statehood, is being forced to vote, while we American citizens, who have a vested interest in the outcome, will not be given the opportunity to vote! Simply incredible!

HR 2499, titled “A Bill, to provide for a federally sanctioned self-determination process for the people of Puerto Rico” follows a very devious, underhanded multi-step path to essentially force Puerto Rican voters to eventually adopt statehood. Here’s how.

The bill first authorizes Puerto Rico to hold a vote where they are given the following two choices only:

1.Puerto Rico should maintain its current political status.
2.Puerto Rico should have a different political status (Different political status. These vague words are exactly as in the bill.)
So citizens get to choose 1 or 2. Period, no ifs, ands or buts. Then the bill stipulates what comes next:

If the people pick option 1 – which they have chosen multiple times already – then the Puerto Rican government is directed to conduct more plebiscites every eight years for the foreseeable future. So in other words, Mr. Puerto Rican citizen, we are going to keep cramming this down your throat until a majority of you choose option 2.

Once the people choose option 2, then there will be a second vote with the following three options:

1.Full independence.
2.Sovereignty “in association with the United States…” not subject to the Constitution’s Territorial Clause.
For the record, the first two options will not get much support. So the entire structure of the bill is designed to funnel Puerto Rican voters into a predetermined outcome: Statehood. This despite the fact that Puerto Ricans have voted against statehood over and over again!

Rep. Luis Gutierrez, a senior Democrat Congressman no less, just posted his views on this bill at Huffington Post. Here is what he has to say about it:

I am a senior Democratic Member of Congress, whose parents were born in Puerto Rico, and for whom Puerto Rico self-determination has been – and remains – a central issue of my congressional career. This statehood bill is the opposite of self-determination.

It is designed to craft an artificial majority for statehood where none exists now. Every time the people of Puerto Rico have been consulted on this issue through a plebiscite they’ve said NO to Statehood. NO to Statehood in 1967. NO to Statehood in 1993. NO to Statehood in 1998. This should be called the “Don’t you dare say NO to Statehood Bill”.

But he is just getting going. Listen to this:

When a similar Puerto Rico bill came up under Speaker Newt Gingrich’s Republican controlled Congress a decade ago, it was the product of lengthy and thorough hearings and an open and fair process. Then, I was given time to offer seven amendments. Then I was able to clarify the bill for the Puerto Rican people. Then, each of my seven amendments got 30 minutes of floor time for debate.

Flash forward to now. Now a Democratic Majority Congress is only allowing me two of the 16 amendments I offered in the Rules Committee on Wednesday. Now I only have 10 minutes to debate each one.

Now, under Democratic Leadership, we get one hearing, no forewarning, no companion Senate bill, and a debate only a few seconds longer than a NASCAR pit-stop…I get more time to debate renaming a Post Office than I will get to debate a bill that could make Puerto Rico the fifty-first state.

In my opinion, this bill is the political equivalent of a shady Goldman Sachs derivative: It’s secretive. It lacks transparency. It’s likely to blow up down the road and cause systemic risk to out democracy. And those who put this political derivative together don’t really tell you what this is really about and will play dumb when it explodes.

We all know now from the outrageous experience of Obamacare that leftists could care less what the will of the people is. For those of you who traditionally vote Democrat this should serve as a warning: that includes you! Even if it’s those poor, downtrodden Puerto Ricans the Left claims to want to help so much. Ram Obamacare down Americas’ throat; ram statehood down Puerto Rico’s throat.

Do I detect a pattern here?

This information needs to go viral. Congress needs to be shut down with phone calls and faxes starting first thing in the morning. That is today, April 29, 2010.

All this is going on while everyone is distracted by the monstrous financial bailout bill coming out of the Senate. The timing was deliberate! And we now hear that despite losing support from lone RINO Republican Lindsey Graham, the Democrats are going to go ahead with illegal immigrant amnesty.

So now we see a pretty comprehensive electoral strategy mapped out:

1.Naturalize 12 million illegal aliens to vote Democrat
2.Universal voter registration
3.Do away with Electoral College using state-by-state approach
4.Force Puerto Rican statehood
5.Soros-funded Secretary of State project to help steal close elections
6.Stimulus monies as political slush fund
If you’re not sufficiently angry and alarmed now, there is no hope for you. These people are demonstrating right to our faces their willingness to trample our rights and defy our will. If they are willing to do this now, what will they do if they get the permanent majorities they want?

04-29-2010, 10:15 AM
There is no advantage for Puerto Ricans to have Puerto Rico become a State, and no advantage to the US to have them become a State. The ONLY winner in Puerto Rico becoming a State would be the Democrats! It's all about politics. Most of Puerto Rico is on welfare, and dare I say, admitting them would give new meaning to the term "Welfare State!"

04-29-2010, 10:45 AM
Another thing they want to cram down our throats. Well I got something they can cram somewhere else.

Rollin Thunder
04-29-2010, 06:39 PM
It has begun, the vote passed tonight, right around 7:00 p.m.
We are so screwed.

04-29-2010, 06:49 PM
I've been following it. More Dem voters I guess.

04-29-2010, 08:48 PM
The House on Thursday approved legislation that could set in motion changes in Puerto Rico's 112-year relationship with the United States, including a transition to statehood or independence. The House bill would give the 4 million residents of the island commonwealth a two-step path to expressing how they envision their political future. It passed 223-169 and now must be considered by the Senate.

Initially, eligible voters, including those born in Puerto Rico but residing in the United States, would vote on whether they wish to keep their current political status or opt for a different direction.

If a majority are in favor of changing the current situation, the Puerto Rican government would be authorized to conduct a second vote and people would choose among four options: statehood, independence, the current commonwealth status or sovereignty in association with the United States. Congress would have to vote on whether Puerto Rico becomes a state.

Pedro Pierluisi, Puerto Rico's nonvoting delegate to the House, said that while the island has had votes on similar issues in the past, Congress has never authorized a process where Puerto Ricans state whether they should remain a U.S. territory or seek a nonterritorial status.

"The American way is to allow people to vote, to express themselves and to tell their elected officials how they feel about their political arrangements," said Puerto Rico Gov. Luis Fortuno at a news conference with Pierluisi. "For 112 years, we haven't had the chance ... to fully participate in one way or another in the decisions that affect our daily lives."

Puerto Rico became a U.S. territory at the end of the Spanish-American War. Those born on the island were granted U.S. citizenship in 1917 and Puerto Rico gained commonwealth status in 1952.

Today, Puerto Ricans serve in the military but can't vote in presidential elections. They do not pay federal income tax on income earned on the island.

In the last referendum, "none of the above" garnered 50 percent of the vote, topping the other options, including statehood at 46.5 percent and independence at 2.5 percent.

Some of those differences were evident among lawmakers of Puerto Rican background. Puerto Rico-born Rep. Nydia Velazquez, D-N.Y., and Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., whose parents were from Puerto Rico, strongly opposed the measure, saying it was designed to push a statehood agenda. "This is the Puerto Rico 51st state bill," said Gutierrez, an independence proponent. "The deck is stacked."

But another Puerto Rico-born lawmaker, Democrat Jose Serrano of New York, backed it. "I support it because for the first time in 112 years the people of Puerto Rico will have an opportunity to express themselves."

Opposition to the House bill included Republican concerns about the consequences of Puerto Rico, where Spanish, as well as English, is the official language, becoming a state. Republicans said Puerto Rico would get some six seats in the House, possibly at the expense of other states, and that statehood would impose further burdens on the federal Treasury.

Republicans, led by Rep. Doc Hastings, R-Wash., unsuccessfully tried to attach a provision that ballots favoring statehood make clear that a Puerto Rican state would adopt English as its official language and abide by Second Amendment gun rights. The proposal was defeated 198-194.