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WERNER1
01-15-2014, 04:57 PM
Hey guys,.. first post here, but no stranger to forums by any means,..

I have a Bersa 383-A (See pics below)... and I was wondering if anyone has had much success with finessing the trigger pull and action on these? ... Right now mine isn't "too bad",.. but I prefer something a little smoother and crisper in the 4lb range, and right now mine's a bit clunky and stiff for my likings. I have read some post about different lubes smoothing and lightening things up a bit, but I'm more interested in physical change :D

I've been doing a bit of searching around on these, and I see that the Thunder grips are a direct replacement(?)... or at least pretty much so with out much finessing them(?)... I haven't seen the "Black" ones available online anywhere though (condorsflight)... are they available directly through Bersa?

One last question if you will :) .... Some of my research has eluded to the Bersa 380's having some difficulties on occasion feeding JHP's.... I'm not sure if that info was certain model specific, or if it was just a general statement(?).... but after inspecting my feed ramp, it is clear that some smoothing out and polishing would go a long way to help the feeding process..... anyone have any experience with this aspect of this pistol?

I'll be getting my CCL here shortly and I'm thinking about using it as my daily CC weapon,... prob. run some good +P JHP's in it and call it a day,... I don't have a whole lot in the gun $ wise, so if something happened to it on the job or it got lost, I wouldn't feel all that badly about it :D

Thanks in advance,
Rick

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brojohn
01-15-2014, 05:30 PM
Welcome to the club Werner1.

Thats a good looking old gun.
Until one of the resident experts come along- hold up on polishing that ramp. On the newer guns it is a no-no.
It may take a day for you to get the right answer- but hang on.

mitchr
01-15-2014, 05:37 PM
Welcome to Bersa Chat. You might try here for the grips.

http://www.bersa.com/


The feed ramp doesn't need to have a mirror finish & most recommend not touching it. I'd suggest you feed it some JHPs & go from there. When available I like the Remington UMC JHP that Walmart handles, for testing a pistol because they come packaged 100/box & are inexpensive compared to most SD rounds. For carry ammo, check out the jug tests in our Ammo Chat section.

To my knowledge, there's nothing to be done to mechanically lighten the trigger & 4# is about what you should ask for. As for lubes that may help smooth it out, I like KG-10 Dry Lube. I apply it to the trigger mechanism & the sear.

Gyrkin
01-15-2014, 05:48 PM
I haven't seen the "Black" ones available online anywhere though (condorsflight)... are they available directly through Bersa?

You can get them from Bersa at:
http://www.bersa.com/bersa-firearms/thunder-series/thun380mlt/bersa-thunder-380-polymer-grip-left.html
http://www.bersa.com/bersa-firearms/thunder-series/thun380mlt/thunder-380-polymer-grip-right.html

The web site shows them as out of stock, but you might give them a call at (732)493-0333 anyway.

pollyb
01-15-2014, 06:40 PM
The feed ramp doesn't need to have a mirror finish & most recommend not touching it. I'd suggest you feed it some JHPs & go from there.

To my knowledge, there's nothing to be done to mechanically lighten the trigger & 4# is about what you should ask for. As for lubes that may help smooth it out, I like KG-10 Dry Lube. I apply it to the trigger mechanism & the sear.

Good advice from mitchr ^^^^ feed ramp polishing not necessary.

If you are having any feed problems I would recommend a new recoil spring and magazine platform spring since they are probably original and aged (both current production replacements will work fine).

Check Gunbroker.com for current polymer grips if you can't find them at Eagle Imports

Oh yeah, welcome to BC

regards jab

WERNER1
01-16-2014, 09:23 AM
Thanks for all of the replies guys!!!

I'll call Bersa later today and see if the grips are available,.. or if not, if they have an ETA on them...

According to the Original Owner, the gun has less than 100 rds through it,... even though I know the guy pretty well, I think it may have a few more than that through it,.. but maybe not:confused: Looking at the externally at the barrel, there's very little wear on it from the slide which would indicate minimal usage,.. but the breech has a small bit of damage which I would guess is from a Jam at one point (?)... I'll have to touch that area up a bit..

After some closer inspection of the feed ramp, it appears that there was some chamfering done at the base of the ramp,... I can only assume that this was done at the factory as the guy I got it from would never attempt anything of this nature ... :yikes:... The face of the ramp has the factory milling marks on it and has never been "Finished",.. I would think some cleaning up of this area could only help (?)

Springs - Just to confirm on this,... the current production recoil and mag. springs from the Thunder will retro fit to this 383-A?...

Thanks again for all of the info and help on this!,.. I'm planning on giving it a workout next Monday at the range :cool:

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WERNER1
01-16-2014, 11:18 AM
Ok,... just got off the phone with Bersa/Eagle,.. they are hoping to have the Black wrap-around grips in on the next shipment which should be around three weeks. ... in the same breath she stated that they would not fit my 383-A,... but I've seen enough info out there both written and photo's that say different :D

I've been searching around, and I haven't seen this info in a sticky or anything,... but has anybody compiled a list of parts off of the Current Production Thunder (Or other recent/current models) that will or can be retro fitted to the older 383's?

pollyb
01-16-2014, 01:11 PM
The black wrap-around grips will be rubber and have finger grooves on the front strap ....polymer grips are indvidual sides ....either will work with only a minor mod on the left grip


Springs - Just to confirm on this,... the current production recoil and mag. springs from the Thunder will retro fit to this 383-A?... Yes, that is correct. Be sure to install the recoil spring tight end over the muzzle first.

It looks like someone pried the slide back from the breech with a screwdriver :yikes:just clean up the outer edge of the breach.

Yes, someone has worked on the lower end of the ramp....again, unless you are having specific feeding problems I would leave the feed ramp alone


has anybody compiled a list of parts off of the Current Production Thunder (Or other recent/current models) that will or can be retro fitted to the older 383's?
Not to my knowledge

Shoot it and get back to us.

WERNER1
01-16-2014, 03:57 PM
Already cleaned her up real good and dressed up that breech area where it was boogered up.... :( .... Didn't have time to mess with the ramp really,.. just smoothed out that chamfer transition a bit.

Recoil Spring - There's a "Tight End"??!?.. Didn't notice that, I'll have to double check and see what I did on that when I put it back together..... Hey, I got a 50/50 chance right!? haha! I'll get new springs when the grips become available and I place and order for everything.

thanks again guys!!
Rick

WERNER1
01-16-2014, 04:07 PM
I was thinking back on this pistol as I was cleaning it today,.. and I'm pretty sure I put about 100 rds through it last year,..

I've had it in my posession for a couple of years now,... but it only recently became officially "Mine" a short while back. ----> I had been "Storing" it for a buddy of mine who ran into some trouble and could no longer have fire arms,.. long story.. but the point being that I took it out to the range once before along with a bunch of other pistols that I have, and remembered it being pretty decent for the most part,.. again, I think the trigger is where the most of my hang up is with this one. I also have a Browning BDA .380 that's a double stack type with a thicker frame (Similar looking to the Beretta .380)... and the trigger pull on that is much smoother and lighter feeling,.. I guess I'm just spoiled :redface:

But either way I remember liking the Bersa enough to end up buying it off of the guy..... Price was right too :wink:

wolfgang the gun doctor
01-28-2014, 02:20 PM
What is the pull weight at present?
I'm assuming you're referring to the pull weight in SA. Getting down to 4# for double action is probably not an achievable goal.

There are several things that can be done regarding the trigger/sear geometry and smoothing to give a lighter, crisper pull with less take-up in SA mode, but it is something anyone without training and experience should not attempt. It is easy to foul up the sear surfaces or have it go full auto which is close to a hanging offense in the eyes of the government. Since this model is not under warranty anymore, you can have these mods done without considering that.

As for the feed ramp, in general, I agree w/ the other posts - it is not necessary or even desirable to polish the feed ramp. It just doesn't need it except where there is a burr, etc. that has to be dressed down. As for the chewed-up area at the bottom of the ramp, the bullet normally doesn't make contact with the ramp until about the midway point. Check it out next time you shoot a few rounds and the ramp is dirty.

However, in your case, it appears that there are a series of minor gouges going up the ramp and that may cause problems.

If you're having feeding troubles with a particular brand of ammo, it is much more likely that the extractor is the culprit. The Sellier & Bellot (S&B) ammo is the most common offender and I use it to test whenever I have a feeding complaint. In my experience, if a Bersa will work reliably with that ammo, it generally will work with about anything.

As for the mangled end of the chamber, that was almost undoubtedly caused by losing the grip on the slide during field-striping and the slide breach face smacking into it. Luckily, this generally doesn't cause any problems unless severe, but it does look terrible.

Also, regarding the recoil spring, in addititon to putting the tight end on first (it should remain on the barrel with it pointed downward), turn the end of the spring on the muzzle end of it to the 12:00 postilion as this generally makes it easier to re-install the slide for some some reason.

Hope this helps.




I have a Bersa 383-A (See pics below)... and I was wondering if anyone has had much success with finessing the trigger pull and action on these? ... Right now mine isn't "too bad",.. but I prefer something a little smoother and crisper in the 4lb range, and right now mine's a bit clunky and stiff for my likings. I have read some post about different lubes smoothing and lightening things up a bit, but I'm more interested in physical change :D

One last question if you will :) .... Some of my research has eluded to the Bersa 380's having some difficulties on occasion feeding JHP's.... I'm not sure if that info was certain model specific, or if it was just a general statement(?).... but after inspecting my feed ramp, it is clear that some smoothing out and polishing would go a long way to help the feeding process..... anyone have any experience with this aspect of this pistol?
Thanks in advance,
Rick

WERNER1
02-21-2014, 10:01 PM
thanks for all of the replies guys!!!... I have been back to the range twice since my last post and put around 150 rds through her,... no feeding problems what so ever. I really enjoy shooting this thing and it's pretty accurate as well.

Trigger pull is a tad heavier than I'd prefer (I don't have a way to test the pull weight at this point),.. but it's livable that's for sure.

When I got home from work today there was a package with my new rubber wrap-around grips..... I like it much better now with those grips than I did with the factory wood ones.

Next on the docket are some new springs and another mag.... Then I need to clean up that feed ramp just a tad,... even though everything is feeding well thus far, that feed ramp is nagging at the back of my mind for some reason :)

Thanks again everyone!!
Rick

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mitchr
02-21-2014, 10:29 PM
Cleaning the feed ramp with Hoppes #9 or similar is one thing, but if it's feeding okay that's all I'd recommend.

Glencho
02-21-2014, 11:25 PM
I know this is probably answered elsewhere, but, how thick is the grip with the wrap arounds on?


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WERNER1
02-22-2014, 10:05 PM
IMO, the new Rubber wrap-around grips are pretty much the same width as the original wooden ones,... the only difference would be the finger grips on the front strap - these do add a bit more forward grip area obviously,.. but not much... Again, IMO, the rubber ones make for a much more secure and positive grip on the pistol :)

Rick

Smuz
07-19-2014, 02:47 PM
I know it's an old thread but, in case anyone is interested, I polished the trigger on my 383-a pistol w/ great results. I used a Dremel on low speed w/ a polishing wheel and some Flitz. I dis-assembled the workings and polished the inside and the tabs of the disconnector bar, the frame area behind the disconnector bar, and the sear surfaces. No metal removal, just a polish and good alcohol bath afterwards and a light oiling.

The SA trigger pull went from 4# to 3.5# and is crisp. The DA pull is smooth as silk. Wonderful improvement, w/ no degradation in function. Would do it again in a heartbeat.

As a comparison, I recently purchased a S&W M&P Bodyguard .380. Since the trigger sucked, I polished all bearing surfaces and installed a Galloway adjustable trigger and spring kit. This improved the BG immensely, but the DA trigger pull isn't even in the same league w/ the 383a. Man, that trigger is sweet.

HTH.